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May 2012

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[marker150]

Nitro-X 

[rubenlvi]

Seems like there's quite a few peeps having the same prob with their 40 zukes....I've been having the same problem with my 2010 since day one.  maybe i shuld try the gas treatment.

[VBF]

I spoke with JDean about this.  He said this is a problem with Suzuki motors and the fix is pretty easy, but it must be completed by a Suzuki Tech.  The problem occurs when it is hot outside.  The gas evaporates leaving an air bubble.  The solution is a small electric pump installed under the console that will keep pressure on the line.  Again, this problem is isolated to hot summer months with Suzuki motors.  He is in the process of contacting all the folks that Dargel has sold Suzuki's to and getting them set up for repairs.  Until then, I think the work-around is to prime before takeoff.

[Flat Trout]

I spoke with JDean about this.  He said this is a problem with Suzuki motors and the fix is pretty easy, but it must be completed by a Suzuki Tech.  The problem occurs when it is hot outside.  The gas evaporates leaving an air bubble.  The solution is a small electric pump installed under the console that will keep pressure on the line.  Again, this problem is isolated to hot summer months with Suzuki motors.  He is in the process of contacting all the folks that Dargel has sold Suzuki's to and getting them set up for repairs.  Until then, I think the work-around is to prime before takeoff.

Is this with any gas or just E-10?  Personally, I will go out of my way to avoid using E-10.  Don't have a Zuke but still nice to know just in case.

[karcas]

I spoke with JDean about this.  He said this is a problem with Suzuki motors and the fix is pretty easy, but it must be completed by a Suzuki Tech.  The problem occurs when it is hot outside.  The gas evaporates leaving an air bubble.  The solution is a small electric pump installed under the console that will keep pressure on the line.  Again, this problem is isolated to hot summer months with Suzuki motors.  He is in the process of contacting all the folks that Dargel has sold Suzuki's to and getting them set up for repairs.  Until then, I think the work-around is to prime before takeoff.

I tried telling you guys! By the way VBF, priming the pump doesnt guaranty it won't stall on you, believe me I've tried it! Apparantley if you let your engine idle for a few minutes after you stop is the only procedure that'll ensure that your engine won't stall after you plane again. IMO, Suzuki should let the guys at dargel perform this fix on our boats and let us enjoy the boats that we paid so much money for! Like I said, IMO.

[Gar1222]

Skout,  Don’t know if you’ve found the problem yet, but I’ll share my story in hopes that it will help you get back on the water asap.  I have a Yamaha 150 2 stroke that was giving me problems for about a year.  It wasn’t that bad but it got worse with time.  I would not have any problems starting the engine or getting on plane, but after awhile, it would bog down but not shut off.  I would pull back on the throttle for a while and then the engine would rev up again and I’d be underway for another short blast.  I had a friend sit by the motor and pump the primer bulb and that would help stay on plane for a little longer. 
I took it in to a tech and they worked on the carbs and said that they were a little gummed up and that there was nothing wrong with the pump or the primer bulb.  I took it out again and it still bogged down and even sooner than before. 
I took it back to the tech and explained to him that it was a fuel delivery issue and that it was not missing or back firing like bad carbs or plugs.  The fuel filter was clean and I even changed the water separator as well. 
The tech was at a loss and thought maybe the gas tank had debris in it and they opened the floor to get at the tank for draining.  As soon as they opened the floor cover and saw the hose that is connected to the gas tank and goes to the motor, they could see that the line was kinked and was not allowing sufficient gas to flow to the motor, thus draining the primer bulb.  The restricted flow eventually would fill up the bulb again and the motor would run at full power until the line could not provide enough fuel to keep it on plane. 
The line was installed too short and did not have enough slack to keep it curved and with time and heat, it bent more and more to where it was kinked pretty bad not allowing enough fuel to feed the motor.  The fix was to replace fuel hose with a longer one that looped enough to where it will never kink again. Haven’t had any problems since. Hope it helps.
GAR

[skout]

I spoke with JDean about this.  He said this is a problem with Suzuki motors and the fix is pretty easy, but it must be completed by a Suzuki Tech.  The problem occurs when it is hot outside.  The gas evaporates leaving an air bubble.  The solution is a small electric pump installed under the console that will keep pressure on the line.  Again, this problem is isolated to hot summer months with Suzuki motors.  He is in the process of contacting all the folks that Dargel has sold Suzuki's to and getting them set up for repairs.  Until then, I think the work-around is to prime before takeoff.

This is exactly what was told to me by the guys at Stanton Marine.  Kinda makes sense since this only happen to me this summer in dead heat of summer plus the heat of your engine, never had a problem in the cooler months!! Still will be putting on new stuff that were recommended by the guys on this site.  Excellent insight information here!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VBF]

I tried telling you guys! By the way VBF, priming the pump doesnt guaranty it won't stall on you, believe me I've tried it! Apparantley if you let your engine idle for a few minutes after you stop is the only procedure that'll ensure that your engine won't stall after you plane again. IMO, Suzuki should let the guys at dargel perform this fix on our boats and let us enjoy the boats that we paid so much money for! Like I said, IMO.

I agree.  You would think with the number of Suzuki's Dargel sells, they would be able to perform the fix and get us back on the water!  I know Dargel would prefer to work directly with their customers, but Suzuki is standing in the way...for those of you considering purchasing a Suzuki, let this little "service issue" shed some light on what you can expect from them.

[Flat Trout]

it must be completed by a Suzuki Tech.

The operative word here is "Suzuki Tech"...do not jump to conclusion that it has to be a Suzuki employed tech as I'm sure Dargel's techs are factory trained Suzuki Techs that can perform the mod.  Check with Jeff on that as he said he's contacting all the Suzuki customers to come in for the fix.  It's doubtful they are gonna have to haul their motors to Japan for the fix.

[J.Dean]

VBF is right, at the moment the fix has to be performed by a Suzuki Tech, an employee of Suzuki... He's going to need to rent an apartment by the time we're done here because he's going to be here a while. I agree it's a pain to have to wait and hopefully they'll realize that it's in their interest to let service departments take care of their customers.. But with all that said I'm still a BIG fan of Suzuki..

We're still working on a date and we'll notify you guys when we have it nailed down..

But on a side note, Ethanol is a boaters worst nightmare! The whole point was to bring down gas prices and we all know how that's worked out! Not only has it impacted boaters in a negative way, but have you seen the price on a bag of corn lately?

[Flat Trout]

Just an update here as we'll be living in PM soon and the Raymondville Co-op station is still selling non-ethanol but now only in 93 octane.   Just checked the website where you can find non-ethanol and a fellow who flies an antique airplane checks the gas with his kit often:

QUOTE:"Updated by Larry Wheelock, November 26, 2011 23:36 CST
I visited the Co-Op Farm Store in Raymondville, TX on Nov. 24, 2011 for the first time since May 30, 2011. Their 87 octane now has 10% ethanol, but they have added a pump with 93 octane that has no ethanol! I tested before hase with the Peterson test kit and found zero alcohol! I then pumped 30 gallons into my transport tank for fuel for my Stinson. This is good news."  http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX

We will be going into Raymondville at least once per week for shopping etc. so really not out of the way to purchase non-ethanol gas....of course 93 octane will be pricier and need to see what Tohatsu says about burning that octane level.  

Cheers

[BretM]

Anyone know of an ethanol-free gas place anywhere near Harlingen? (san benito, la feria ..)

[BIG AL]

  By the time your done you will feel like the you a telophonepole for a rectal exam.Kinda hard to tell me a dealer with mechanics cant tell you the problem. BS This is one deterant from buying a new boat sure its covered but how long does your boat sit there till they can get to it.. I prefer to do my own work if at all possible. Sorry mt soell check wont work. forgive the redneck in me.

[TexasCat]

I just had that same problem this summer with my 90 evinrude.  It turns out that the problem was with the fuel line.  The line had very small pin holes that were causing the line to get air in the line.  At first, I never noticed any fuel leaks.  After a few months, I noticed the fuel line with a very small fuel leak.  As I was checking the line and moving it around, the line was in very bad shape.  Cracked and falling apart.  My boat is 2010 1 year old.  The dealer replaced all lines for me and stated that it was caused by ethanol and fuel separating.  I confirmed this problem by several online sites.  The dealer replaced them with new ethanol grade lines.  Problem completely taken care of.

[cedar mullet]

Most boats that are outboard powered do not have a pump in tank? But the Suzuki DF140 has two pumps, a diaphram vac pump that brings it from tank to the elec pump in VOA( main pump that feeds injection). If boat runs fine but has hard time starting and you can pump bulb and it starts,sometimes its the diaphram has tear or small hole that cause not to pick up. You can buy a rebuilt kit for that pump or replace its not that pricey unlike the elec pump thats big$$