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[Gater]

Typical same ole stuff. When you can't come up with anything that makes any sense we resort to name calling or whatever makes you feel smart. Like I said, it is not important with who I am and what I do. I did not question your background's why question mine. The smart thing to do would be to look at this from all angles not just from a commercial crabbing, the whoopers are croaking, and I hate the bass family point of view!

Gater

[heavyduty]

I think you threw the first stone dude.  It is obvoius that you have a personal vindetta against Lynn. No one will respond until you reviel yourself. 

[Gater]

Heavyduty I do not have a vendetta against Lynn, never met the woman. I don't have a vendetta against anyone. My beef is that so many of you are blinded the BS that comes from the SCBI and RFA camps that you can't see that any vendettas are coming from within those two groups. I for one do not want to spend tax dollars to open and maintain a natural fish pass. It is a natural pass and nature will close it and nature will open it. It has been that way for a long time. Contrary to what some believe, this pass has not caused a ecological or economic disaster of biblical proportions as some may want you to believe. The threats of we are fixing to get to the bottom of this and people are going to pay and may even go to jail is about as stupid as it can get. With that type a attitude it is no wonder this has been dragging on for eleven years. One can only imagine what the State and Federal agencies involved in this think after reading some of the garbage that comes from your side.
There are two sides to everything but it seems you all can not see that. Sure that area of the coast has some problems but Cedar Bayou is not one of them.

Gater

[heavyduty]

Thanks once you reviel yourself we can continue. Until then nothing is worth saying and you are just a troll. Bye

[cchaumont]

I don't have to believe or disbelieve anyone else's account (from either side) of the ecological and economical consequences of the current, manmade conditions at CB/VS.  I have seen it for myself.  It's not nature that has done what I have seen and experienced personally.  It's just one of the facets of my profession to recognize what's natural and what isn't.

And since I also know that the majority of folks here on this forum are like-minded on this issure, I will say this - when everyone believes one thing and I believe something else, I'm ususally wrong.

More people need to see this for themselves like I have.

Lynn, I'm with you.

charles

[neptune]

Gater, everyone is entitled to their opinion(s), but your's seem to come from ignorance of the subject matter.  You say Vinson Slough doesn't matter when it comes to keeping Cedar Bayou open.  But I personally have waded across the confluence of Vinson Slough and Cedar Bayou when both were open, and felt the rush of water coming out of the Slough on a falling tide heading for the Gulf.  You don't need to be a hydrologist or engineer to know that additional moving water would help prevent the Bayou from silting in at the mouth.  You also say that Cedar Bayou does not contribute to any problems for that area of the coast.  But in 1995 TPW placed a sign on the edge of the Bayou saying that Cedar Bayou was vital for shrimp, blue crabs, redfish and flounder to complete their life cycles, and to allow escape to the Gulf when the bays were too fresh or too salty.  If that was / is not a lie, then reason would tell you that an open bayou would improve the conditions in the bays. 
Just on a dollars and cents analysis, a healthy bay system, and thriving whooping cranes and fisheries, make sense.  I boat there in the winter, and see the birding boats cruising the Intercoastal, full of tourists spending money to see the whoopers.  I launch my boat at Goose Island, and see the fishermen and guides who've come to the coast to spend money because of the fisheries.  It makes economic sense to improve the birding, and the fisheries, when you can.  And I know that an open Cedar Bayou, and Vinson Slough, would do that.   

[bayrat126]

cchaumont, I agree.  I was unaware of the sequence of events surrounding CB/VS until about two years ago.  I just fished and boated in Ayers and Mesquite Bay.  During the years I fished Ayers regularly (2002-2008)  I saw a distint change in the bay.  From 02-07 we saw lots of bait and caught fish on a regular basis.  Towards the end of 07 a marked decline in bait and of course fish.  Several trips in 08 were unproductive and I moved my fishing areas south.  At the same time, I started looking for reasons why my favorite fishing areas (Ayers/Mesquite Bay) were dead.  I first went to CB/VS to look for myself and found it closed off.  Stagnant water backed up in VS.  Last year I ran CB to the end twice and I am always amazed at the beauty of this pass.  The trouble is it is closed and no water flow.  I did see lots of mullet but no crabs and caught no game fish.  On those trips the whoopers were feeding along the ICW, in Ayers and Mesquite.  I would assume they have had to leave the marshes and back lakes to find crab to feed on.  Anyone who had fished this area when CB was open and flowing has seen and experienced the change.  Yes gator, people are passionant about CB/VS because those of us who have seen, used and enjoyed this pristine part of our bays when this pass is open understand the effect of bad planning, decisions and delay has had on our bays, marshes, fish, health and wildlife.  I would encourage eveyone to read the mission statement of our TPWD.

[cchaumont]

Regarding the two previous posts:

neptune, well put and intened to be read between the lines of my post.

bayrat126, good observation on your part - I've witnessed the same decline in that fishery since '06.  and what I witnessed first-hand preceeded my knowledge of the existence of this forum

i'm downright happy to be here with ya'll

[cchaumont]

Regarding the two previous posts:

neptune, well put and intened to be read between the lines of my post.

bayrat126, good observation on your part - I've witnessed the same decline in that fishery since '06.  and what I witnessed first-hand preceeded my knowledge of the existence of this forum

i'm downright happy to be here with ya'll

 and please excuse my incorrect spelling of the word "intended"

[igottafish]

Heavyduty I do not have a vendetta against Lynn, never met the woman. I don't have a vendetta against anyone. My beef is that so many of you are blinded the BS that comes from the SCBI and RFA camps that you can't see that any vendettas are coming from within those two groups. I for one do not want to spend tax dollars to open and maintain a natural fish pass. It is a natural pass and nature will close it and nature will open it. It has been that way for a long time. Contrary to what some believe, this pass has not caused a ecological or economic disaster of biblical proportions as some may want you to believe. The threats of we are fixing to get to the bottom of this and people are going to pay and may even go to jail is about as stupid as it can get. With that type a attitude it is no wonder this has been dragging on for eleven years. One can only imagine what the State and Federal agencies involved in this think after reading some of the garbage that comes from your side.
There are two sides to everything but it seems you all can not see that. Sure that area of the coast has some problems but Cedar Bayou is not one of them.

Gater

Like Llama stated, Your entitled to your opinion, and I  Respectfully Disagree with you in so many ways.



"Your Beef"- I hope it's friendly!

"Blinded-BS" - I understand and See very clearly!

"Garbage" - HOGWASH!!!!!!

[GReeh]

Everybody is entitled to an opinion. But, they need to be backed by fact....

If Gator says Vinsons Slough was closed to protect the Piping Plover, where are all of the studies about sea grass, habitat damage, loss of Blue Crab and Crane habitat...

If Lynn is jumping through hoops they should have had to also. And if they didn't why??

Either produce the documentation (frankly I don't care who he his) or shove off and find another group to annoy!

GReeh

[Rooster]

Gator = Ms. Pelosi   

[reelfiddler]

rooster now thats a low blow. deserving but low

[Rooster]

rooster now thats a low blow. deserving but low

Well, i was going to say Barak....but that was even lower!  (and i didn't want to disrespect the oval office)

[Lance D]

Let's play fair or we will have to lock the thread. No more name calling.