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« on: Sep 15, 10 - 08:36:07 AM » |
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Isn't it ironic that the federal gov't is involved in this marsh restoration project less than 50 miles from Cedar Bayou and they could care less about Cedar Bayou. I am sure that TPWD had to approve this also. http://www.kiiitv.com/news/area3news/53998252.htmlWhy is it okay to dredge and do things to improve fish habitat and bird habitat in Nueces Bay but not in Mesquite Bay where the entire eco system is on its death bed. I understand that progress and urbanization killed the marsh land in Nueces Bay but it was the TPWD and the Gov't that killed Cedar Bayou and are still allowing the "land Owners" to control the pass. The truly sad thing is that there are projects all up and down the coast being approved and funded, yet Cedar Bayou and Mesquite bay continue to be neglected. At my job if I were to neglect something as important as this I would have been fired years ago. If I allowed and went along with corruption like this I would have been fired also and possibly prosecuted. |
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 15, 10 - 09:50:55 PM » |
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Isn't it ironic that the federal gov't is involved in this marsh restoration project less than 50 miles from Cedar Bayou and they could care less about Cedar Bayou. I am sure that TPWD had to approve this also. http://www.kiiitv.com/news/area3news/53998252.htmlWhy is it okay to dredge and do things to improve fish habitat and bird habitat in Nueces Bay but not in Mesquite Bay where the entire eco system is on its death bed. I understand that progress and urbanization killed the marsh land in Nueces Bay but it was the TPWD and the Gov't that killed Cedar Bayou and are still allowing the "land Owners" to control the pass. The truly sad thing is that there are projects all up and down the coast being approved and funded, yet Cedar Bayou and Mesquite bay continue to be neglected. At my job if I were to neglect something as important as this I would have been fired years ago. If I allowed and went along with corruption like this I would have been fired also and possibly prosecuted. Ya' know I think there needs to be a lot of media attention given to this issue. Somebody down there on the local scene needs to get it going and make sure it spreads to the major Texas markets first and then to the national. If funds were available, a publicity professional could be hired to see to it that the perpetrators behind this abomination become exposed. They are hiding behind a veil of secrecy and until they feel the fear of being "outed", they are not going to change. Many years of documentation has piled up and it's time to open it up for public scrutiny. |
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 16, 10 - 05:14:24 AM » |
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plugger I have been saying this for a couple of years. What a pleasent suprize some one else agrees.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 16, 10 - 05:42:09 AM » |
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come to think of it, that wouldn't be a half bad idea
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heavyduty
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 16, 10 - 07:15:51 AM » |
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I agree on all counts
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 17, 10 - 08:30:26 AM » |
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Like an investigative report by a major television network magazine show?
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 17, 10 - 10:37:09 AM » |
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Seems all that could do something to unveil secrecies just wants to "Pass The Buck"!!!!!!  |
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 17, 10 - 12:50:39 PM » |
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Heavyduty I have read this same thing many times and still no one can explain to me how the TP&WD and the Federal Goverement has killed cedar bayou. Care to explain!
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 17, 10 - 06:42:56 PM » |
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Gater,
From what I have read. One of things that helped Cedar Bayou close was when the Bayou was last dredged, it was not done correctly. That the sand spoils were placed into and blocked the entrance to Vinson Slew. Without Vinson open, the currents could not flow correctly to keep the Bayou open. So who was in charge of the last dredge, the Feds or the TPWD? So two of the keys seems to be to open both and proper placement of the dredged sand. Also, I don't think that it is important to try to place blame but just get the things open for numerous reasons that have been mentioned.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 17, 10 - 07:04:49 PM » |
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Place Blame! What do you think happen here? The slough was closed by TPWD, with out a permit to do so, and used our Federal money, OUR MONEY, to kill that Slough to give access to one man, dening all of us access to our passes. Cedar Bayou was killed by their actions. Are we supposed to just let it go, forget about the slough. I don't think so. The truth came out last night in front of a packed house, with Todd Hunter. We are going to get to the bottom of this and someone is going to pay. These passes will be open and flowing. The question is, who did it, why did they do it, how was it paid for, and who benifited from the closure of this slough. Some one is to blame for this,and I say let's weed them out!
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 18, 10 - 07:29:26 AM » |
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Lynn it does not really matter.... the State can do whatever they want with Cedar Bayou and the slough. But it is my understanding that the USFWS had sand placed in Vensions to protect the nesting grounds of the endangered Piping Plover. I figured you would know this. When you find out for sure, exactly how are you going to make them pay. You going to sue the State or Federal Government for something they have the right to do. I am sure they are really concerned with those threats.
I am still amazed how you and Mr. Smarr still blame the Bass family for all this. Get over it and move on. I would not be shocked if the pass is ever open by man again.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 18, 10 - 08:04:06 AM » |
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I am not so sure Gator. Sit back and watch. I believe the heat will be on soon enough. If there is enough publicity something will have to give. That pass and slough belongs to us not the Bass Family. What about the Whooping Crane? They are higher on the list of endangered list than the Piping Plover and that is their habitat also. 50 something whooping cranes have been killed since then because of habitat loss. How many Piping Plovers have been saved because of it? Where is your proof that the USFWS closed VS for the Piping Plover? It has to be documented. Please post it so that we can all be straightened out.
What particular family or ranch has the most to gain by closing off Vinson Slough? As a matter of fact don't they gain and everyone else loses? In most investigations you look for the person or people who benefit the most and that is usually who is behind it. There is evidence that shows what is going on and it will all be reviled in a few weeks.
Gator tell us who you are? This is your second post and now you are atacking Lynn. Quit hiding behind a name and tell us your real name and who you work for. It would only be right since we all have been here the whole time and you are some johnny come lately.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 18, 10 - 12:34:13 PM » |
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I would say gater is big brother or worse.
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heavyduty
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 18, 10 - 12:39:37 PM » |
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I am sure. I have asked for some idetification but they don't want to reviel themselves. Possibly scared? That's the only reason I can think of. This is our house.
Maybe gator would like to become a supporting member and help support the site. Just click on the donation button above.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 18, 10 - 01:54:57 PM » |
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Lynn it does not really matter.... the State can do whatever they want with Cedar Bayou and the slough. But it is my understanding that the USFWS had sand placed in Vensions to protect the nesting grounds of the endangered Piping Plover. I figured you would know this. When you find out for sure, exactly how are you going to make them pay. You going to sue the State or Federal Government for something they have the right to do. I am sure they are really concerned with those threats.
I am still amazed how you and Mr. Smarr still blame the Bass family for all this. Get over it and move on. I would not be shocked if the pass is ever open by man again.
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gater, this is the "Save Cedar Bayou Forum", not the "Let me have just a few more shots of whiskey so I can post something stupid forum". |
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