They need to go!!!!!

May 2012

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[bigrggiii]

I personally get concerned when people are unwilling to look at themselves as possibly being part of the problem.

The recreational fishing industry is more about generating dollars on the backs of our ecosystem than it is about protecting the ecosystem.  The current fishery management plan is unsustainable, and changes need to be made.

[igottafish]

And after all is said and done, The dredging of  Cedar Bayou is needed to bring the ecosystem back to life and healthy in the areas as mentioned throughout this thread!

[Old Plugger]

I agree with what the Packery has done for the ULM. That is the go to spot now in all the major redfish tournaments. Not only are there more redfish the average size is so much better. Upper slot reds are often over 8 pounds and bumping 9 pounds. When Cedar was open Mesquite bay, San Antonio bay, the north east portion of Aransas Bay and the many lakes from San Jose to the southern portion of Matagorda had many good quality fish like this and many tournaments were won in these spots because the system was so healthy.

I believe the issue with the low catch rates and such is more of water quality than it is over fishing. Obviously over fishing trout is not going to kill thousands of acres of seagrass and wetlands. It is obvious that the fishing and the whole eco system was in great shape before Cedar was allowed to silt in. Now that it is closed the entire eco system is suffering. I have an eight year old son at home that when presented with this info can deduce that fact that the answer is to reopen it and to do it right.

Yes! And isn't it amazing that an 8 year old child can see the plain and simple truth when grown men who should have a little common sense want to argue against the reopening.

[neptune]

I've fished Cedar Bayou and the area around there for maybe 25-30 years.  Starting with a 14 foot jon boat, and through three boats since then.  Anyone who thinks the closing of the pass for the last five years hasn't severely impacted the fishing simply does not know what they are talking about, perhaps because they don't fish the area.  Ask any of the guides down there--they know what the closing has done to the fishing. 
In 1995 or so, when the pass was last dredged, someone at Parks and Wildlife tried to set up a little park on the banks of the Bayou near the surf.  They set up some covered picnic tables, and some neat descriptive signs.  Now, its quite a walk from the nearest boatable water to the remaining signs, which are still there, and the tops of the tables covered mostly covered in sand. 
The signs talk about the history of the bayou, starting 2000 years ago, and how it had always managed to keep itself open, but they also talk about the critical role the Bayou has always played in the ecosystem supported by the Bayou. 
One of the signs says that the pass is "important because it is
a vital migration route for creatures like brown and white shrimp, blue crabs, red drum and southern flounder that spawn in the Gulf and enter the bay as larvae."  It also talks about the important role of the Bayou as an escape route that allows fish to leave the bays when they become too salty or fresh because of too much or too little rain, or in the event of freezes. 

If that was true enough for Parks and Wildlife to say in 1995, why isn't it still true?  With the whooping cranes dying last year, and with the Bayou being "vital" to blue crab migration, why isn't there an uproar to get the pass open?

It doesnt make sense to me. 

[heavyduty]

I've fished Cedar Bayou and the area around there for maybe 25-30 years.  Starting with a 14 foot jon boat, and through three boats since then.  Anyone who thinks the closing of the pass for the last five years hasn't severely impacted the fishing simply does not know what they are talking about, perhaps because they don't fish the area.  Ask any of the guides down there--they know what the closing has done to the fishing. 
In 1995 or so, when the pass was last dredged, someone at Parks and Wildlife tried to set up a little park on the banks of the Bayou near the surf.  They set up some covered picnic tables, and some neat descriptive signs.  Now, its quite a walk from the nearest boatable water to the remaining signs, which are still there, and the tops of the tables covered mostly covered in sand. 
The signs talk about the history of the bayou, starting 2000 years ago, and how it had always managed to keep itself open, but they also talk about the critical role the Bayou has always played in the ecosystem supported by the Bayou. 
One of the signs says that the pass is "important because it is
a vital migration route for creatures like brown and white shrimp, blue crabs, red drum and southern flounder that spawn in the Gulf and enter the bay as larvae."  It also talks about the important role of the Bayou as an escape route that allows fish to leave the bays when they become too salty or fresh because of too much or too little rain, or in the event of freezes. 

If that was true enough for Parks and Wildlife to say in 1995, why isn't it still true?  With the whooping cranes dying last year, and with the Bayou being "vital" to blue crab migration, why isn't there an uproar to get the pass open?

It doesnt make sense to me. 

I agree it does not make sense.

[GReeh]

I've fished Cedar Bayou and the area around there for maybe 25-30 years.  Starting with a 14 foot jon boat, and through three boats since then.  Anyone who thinks the closing of the pass for the last five years hasn't severely impacted the fishing simply does not know what they are talking about, perhaps because they don't fish the area.  Ask any of the guides down there--they know what the closing has done to the fishing. 
In 1995 or so, when the pass was last dredged, someone at Parks and Wildlife tried to set up a little park on the banks of the Bayou near the surf.  They set up some covered picnic tables, and some neat descriptive signs.  Now, its quite a walk from the nearest boatable water to the remaining signs, which are still there, and the tops of the tables covered mostly covered in sand. 
The signs talk about the history of the bayou, starting 2000 years ago, and how it had always managed to keep itself open, but they also talk about the critical role the Bayou has always played in the ecosystem supported by the Bayou. 
One of the signs says that the pass is "important because it is
a vital migration route for creatures like brown and white shrimp, blue crabs, red drum and southern flounder that spawn in the Gulf and enter the bay as larvae."  It also talks about the important role of the Bayou as an escape route that allows fish to leave the bays when they become too salty or fresh because of too much or too little rain, or in the event of freezes. 

If that was true enough for Parks and Wildlife to say in 1995, why isn't it still true?  With the whooping cranes dying last year, and with the Bayou being "vital" to blue crab migration, why isn't there an uproar to get the pass open?

It doesnt make sense to me. 

Makes no sense to anyone, and I do believe the judge should be asking someone from TPWD that very question...
Under Oath....

Glenn

[CJ PORTER]

Instead of talking about the good ol' days let's see them. I know there are several TFF members that have pictures documenting the numbers and sizes of CB fish caught in the past. JDean, what would be the best way to get these posted? Should someone start the thread with the 1st pic, or would it be better for you to start and everyone just add to it? I grew up looking at a wall of unbelieveable pictures documenting CB trips from the 60's and 70's. The newer people to saltwater fishing don't fully understand the true potential of the bays when the bayou is fully functional.

[lynnscb]

OK, I have been setting here reading these post and was not going to say anything, but,I can not just set here any more and not say nothing. Let me be clear about this. I have always respected all opinions. But when someone makes a statement about the biggest natural resources killers and take every breath on their word just burns me. TPWD, FWS,NMFS,TCEQ,EPA,NOAA and the CORPS has destroyed more fish, birds,wetlands and what ever they can get their hands on just because they can and blame it on us. Oh yeah, we are the ones that have created these problems by listening to their BS and setting back and letting them do it. TPWD with the blessing of their buddies killed the largest productive system on the Texas coast. They did it! We all know why and they did it knowing what would happen when they did. Now they scream, more limits, higher fishing fee's, give us your money so we can stop your fishing all together. We are going to save you from your self because you are stupid enough to let us do it. Bigrggiii, you are right. Millions of dollars are generated each year for projects like CB/VS, (Wallop-Breaux). This money comes from the SPORTMANS and TPWD used that money to kill these passes off. TPWD and the rest are managing to fail and Now Our Fisheries are unsustainable and you dam right we need a change, THEY NEED TO GO! You want to look at someone for these problems, I suggest that you first take a long look at your self and then look hard at these agencies. Ask your self, who is the real problem here.