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[Reef Dawg]

I have access to a floater up that way and I can tell you that the argument about moving the seagrass to another location is BS!!! There is no longer any seagrass in Mesquite Bay! There used to be some over in the southeast corner (to the left as you exit from Cedar), but it has all died due to the hypersalinity of the bay. Which we all know is being caused not only from the loss of inflow from the rivers, BUT ALSO FROM THE CLOSURE OF CEDAR BAYOU!!!!! It makes me extreeeeemly ANGRY that the CORPS officials have been bought and paid for by the "royal family". I don't have proof of this, but I don't see any other explanation to the fact that the "royal family" was allowed to protest the permit 30 days after the deadline for input expired. I won't be able to make the meeting on Sept. 16th, but ya'll tell everyone for me that they need to go to Cedar and examine the issues in person. If you want to PM me and I'll send my phone number to you so you can have them call me and I'll meet them and show them around out there! I've been out there recently and this BS procrastination about the permit needs to stop. Else we need to vote out ALL imcumbents and elect people who WILL represent the people and not just represent the "royal family"!!!!!

[BK]

we need to vote out ALL imcumbents and elect people who WILL represent the people

There is ample reason to do that aside from Cedar Bayou.

[bigrggiii]

I was just perusing this month's letter from the editor in, Texas Saltwater Fishing Magazine, where Everett Johnson (Editor and publisher) was contemplating spotted sea trout numbers as reflected by TPWD spring gill net surveys.  I encourage all of you to read it it can be found on page 6 of the September 2010 issue (the one with the snook on the cover).

 
   

[Old Plugger]

I was just perusing this month's letter from the editor in, Texas Saltwater Fishing Magazine, where Everett Johnson (Editor and publisher) was contemplating spotted sea trout numbers as reflected by TPWD spring gill net surveys.  I encourage all of you to read it it can be found on page 6 of the September 2010 issue (the one with the snook on the cover).

 
   

I don't buy his mag anymore. He is one of the naysayers re: CB/VS. Also, claims that TPWD surveys show no relationship between open or closed passes and area trout stocks. Nobody who has fished the area over the years on a regular basis will buy into such nonsense. Too much "royal family" influence once again.

[bigrggiii]

He makes alot of sense.  Basically, trout numbers are shrinking despite no major natural or unatural die-offs.  Goes on to say that most biologists agree that the first sign of over fishing is a population consisting of fish too small to keep.  Many reports from the Texas coast are that people are having to catch 20 trout to get to one that is big enough to keep.

He concludes by saying the current trout management plan is not working.

I still think it ain't the passes but the people that are the problem.  We, the recreational fisherman, are putting too much strain on the resource.

[bigrggiii]

Where is Brandon Shuler on this issue?

[Reef Dawg]

He makes alot of sense.  Basically, trout numbers are shrinking despite no major natural or unatural die-offs.  Goes on to say that most biologists agree that the first sign of over fishing is a population consisting of fish too small to keep.  Many reports from the Texas coast are that people are having to catch 20 trout to get to one that is big enough to keep.

He concludes by saying the current trout management plan is not working.

I still think it ain't the passes but the people that are the problem.  We, the recreational fisherman, are putting too much strain on the resource.

Funny that you think that the fishing pressure is the problem, when I have personally seen the pressure in Mesquite bay practically die over the last 4 years due to there not being any fish to catch since Cedar silted closed. We used to see 10-15 boats a day fishing in Mesquite, now it is like 1 or 2 boats over a 3 day period. The fish population, the pressure, and the seagrass has all died off over the last 4 years and yet you still say that there is no need to open the passes? The fish stocking program will never replace the natural increase in population that occurs when the passes are open. To say nothing of the fact that there is no means of restocking the whooping crane and other wildlife populations.

[devil1824]

BIGRGGIII, TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME.

[heavyduty]

BIGRGGIII, TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME.

Trey I think you may have stepped in it now.

[Old Plugger]

Where is Brandon Shuler on this issue?

His pass got dredged! I hear fishing really picked up down there.

[Old Plugger]

He makes alot of sense.  Basically, trout numbers are shrinking despite no major natural or unatural die-offs.  Goes on to say that most biologists agree that the first sign of over fishing is a population consisting of fish too small to keep.  Many reports from the Texas coast are that people are having to catch 20 trout to get to one that is big enough to keep.

He concludes by saying the current trout management plan is not working.

I still think it ain't the passes but the people that are the problem.  We, the recreational fisherman, are putting too much strain on the resource.

Do you think it might help if the surf run trout had a pass to migrate back into the bay? Duh!

[flatzstalker]

with the opening of the packery channel i have seen a huge differince in the water here in corpus with new grass and seeing more than the  3 main  fish we fish for on the flats i could just imagine if they opened the other passes here what that would do.i havent fished cb many times but when i did it was quite an experince.i do agree with obama's son (big) about the trout limit but thats just me .not based on any science but it could not hurt.im seeing more and more fish in our area like it used to be back when the fish pass was open and ran all the way through.i thnk the lowering of the redfish limit has had a tremendous effect on out fishery here i can only think what it would do to trout.before anyone bashes me with surveys on why we should lower the limit or the limit is not the problem.i have lived here 46 years and have seen what it did to the redfish population.almost everytime i go out i see a school of reds somewhere. i remember the days when it was hard to catch a limit of reds.

[flatzstalker]

lynn ,many thanks to you and all the other people who are behind this effort to open cb.

[Redfish]

He makes alot of sense.  Basically, trout numbers are shrinking despite no major natural or unatural die-offs.  Goes on to say that most biologists agree that the first sign of over fishing is a population consisting of fish too small to keep.  Many reports from the Texas coast are that people are having to catch 20 trout to get to one that is big enough to keep.

He concludes by saying the current trout management plan is not working.

I still think it ain't the passes but the people that are the problem.  We, the recreational fisherman, are putting too much strain on the resource.

not to sure about that bigi.  Two years in a row now i have been in presentations given by TPWD- fisheries divsion that show their data does not support that theory. While you and several others may do very well on most outings, the fact remains MOST recreational anglers struggle to land just a few keeper fish on average. Just stand and watch boats come in at the arroyo boat ramp.  An occassional boat comes in with limits or reds or trout and few times both, but Most boats come in with just a red or two and a few trout.  The pressure is not what you think it is because of the amount of fish you usually catch. You're many grades above the average joe.

[heavyduty]

with the opening of the packery channel i have seen a huge differince in the water here in corpus with new grass and seeing more than the  3 main  fish we fish for on the flats i could just imagine if they opened the other passes here what that would do.i havent fished cb many times but when i did it was quite an experince.i do agree with obama's son (big) about the trout limit but thats just me .not based on any science but it could not hurt.im seeing more and more fish in our area like it used to be back when the fish pass was open and ran all the way through.i thnk the lowering of the redfish limit has had a tremendous effect on out fishery here i can only think what it would do to trout.before anyone bashes me with surveys on why we should lower the limit or the limit is not the problem.i have lived here 46 years and have seen what it did to the redfish population.almost everytime i go out i see a school of reds somewhere. i remember the days when it was hard to catch a limit of reds.

I agree with what the Packery has done for the ULM. That is the go to spot now in all the major redfish tournaments. Not only are there more redfish the average size is so much better. Upper slot reds are often over 8 pounds and bumping 9 pounds. When Cedar was open Mesquite bay, San Antonio bay, the north east portion of Aransas Bay and the many lakes from San Jose to the southern portion of Matagorda had many good quality fish like this and many tournaments were won in these spots because the system was so healthy.

I believe the issue with the low catch rates and such is more of water quality than it is over fishing. Obviously over fishing trout is not going to kill thousands of acres of seagrass and wetlands. It is obvious that the fishing and the whole eco system was in great shape before Cedar was allowed to silt in. Now that it is closed the entire eco system is suffering. I have an eight year old son at home that when presented with this info can deduce that fact that the answer is to reopen it and to do it right.