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« on: Jun 29, 10 - 03:06:16 AM »

It's been a while since I have posted and given you a up date on the CB/VS project. Before I do that, I wanted to apologize to all of you for my poor judgement and moment of weakness. As you know, a few months ago, the County took over the permit. At the time that this came about, which it came up very fast and I really did not have to much time to think it over, I reluctantly allowed the County to take over the permit. As I had expected, this was a huge mistake. I knew the second that I walked into that court room, that I had made a mistake. No one was there except for the 3 commissioners, Judge Mills, myself, Bob and a reporter for one of our local papers. Charles Smith was doing all the talking for the court. To tell you the truth, I do not care for that man at all, or for his tone and manner that he took with me that day. He has no clue as to what needs to be done to make this system whole, productive and healthy again and I guess that is why not one commissioner has stepped up to help Judge Mills or this project. But, if things go south, they can stand up and point the finger at Judge Mills and myself, and their hands would be clean. Judge Mills has been working hard on this project, as much as he can along with his other duties. The Aransas County Commissioners have not done one thing. I was very close to getting that permit and I should not have allowed these people to jerk that permit from me. Now months later, I still have had no word as to were we are except that the CORPS have asked more questions. I am working still as I have always done, on the grant to obtain the money to open the passes and I am concerned about that as well. For this project to be funded under CIAP, the permit has to be in place and the agencies know this, thus the delays. This kept the project from being funded before. As I set here tonight at 2:30 in the morning, I have to tell you that I have just about had it with all of this BS. It makes me sick to think about how these passes got this way and what has happen since they have been closed. It tears me up when I hear some of these so called caring people talk about something that they know nothing about and you know that they could care less about it any way. As long as they don't feel the pain from it, then why should they care. I know that most of you feel as though these passes will never get open. I will tell you tonight, that they will get open. If I have to fight hell to get it done, then so be it. I have made some mistakes in the past, but I have learned from those mistakes and will not make those mistakes again. I will make some calls today and find out just were we are. I will get back as soon as I find out something. Let's hope it is good news.
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 29, 10 - 06:00:59 AM »

Sorry, I feel kind of dumb here,  but what are you talking about?  CB/VS?  What is that?
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 29, 10 - 08:25:42 AM »

cedar bayou and vinison slough
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 29, 10 - 08:30:33 AM »

Sorry, I feel kind of dumb here,  but what are you talking about?  CB/VS?  What is that?

Maybe I can help the new guy.  Below is how the topic reads from the list of topics under "General Texas Discussion"  You should be able to find a CB/VS in there somewhere.

Save Cedar Bayou
Discussion regarding the dredging of Cedar Bayou and Vinson Slough.
Click here to sign the petition.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 29, 10 - 09:48:04 AM »

Lynn, don't beat yourself up over this. Everyone here appreciates all you have done. I thought it was genius for the county to take over the permitting process. I guess you never know. Obviously, evil forces are blocking this effort. There can be no other explanation. I would like to publicly challenge CCA, RFA and all other Conservation groups to take up this cause in a joint effort with Save Cedar Bayou. We need real pressure and commitment from those who have money, power and government lobbyists. So, I say to the above mentioned conservation organizations, "put your money where your mouth is". If the conservation groups really, really, really stand for what they say, those passes will get opened. I tell you folks, in my opinion if the conservation .org's don't behind this in a meaningful way they will have shown their true colors and should be labeled as "Phonies". That's my 2 cents worth and I will gladly debate any opposite opinions.

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« Reply #5 on: Jun 29, 10 - 03:02:45 PM »

Amen Old Plugger, For those that have ask the question, Yes I have contacted all of the Conservation groups and some have help to fund the needed work and stated their support to my face but that was it. To say one thing and do another speaks for it's self. This is the problem, we are a grass roots org. made up of working people. We are not a business working under another flag, CONVERSATION. The org. is what it is, and it's sole purpose is to see that we do what we can to protect these passes, to open them and see to it that they stay open. WHY, because history has taught us that it is the natural order of things and it keeps the system working as it was intended to do. MONEY, POWER, GREED play a huge role in keeping these passes closed. How many times have we been here and talked about this problem? Who has heard our voices and turned there heads? Who benefits, who suffers, and who cares? What does a person have to do to move a little sand to make things right again and maybe save the whooping cranes and someone's life, to put people back to work, to save our wetlands, our right to fish without fear. Who is to say that we can not fish on state owned land, which this is what CB/VS is, our water, our land. There is but one reason for all of this and I do not have to tell you what that is or who it is. Those passes need to be opened! Old Plugger, I don't have to beat myself up, others are doing a good job of that. All I can say is swing away. It was said that the cover up can be worst then the crime it,s self. This crime will come to light and those that have had a hand in the cover up will be exposed. I have nothing to hide, but I have plenty say. The Judge is in meetings today and I have not heard a word about the permit,but as soon as I do I will let you know something. For those of you in the path of the storm, please take care.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 29, 10 - 04:58:59 PM »

Lynn,

Behind you all the way !!!!!! Remember the world is round what comes round goes round.. we will prevail..I will be sending the county commissioners my letters. We are in a real tough spot now with oil flowing to the East. People do not realize we need the pass open to replenish what has dissappeared. There will be more pressure on our bays.

Keep fighting the good fight we are in your corner

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« Reply #7 on: Jun 30, 10 - 06:48:41 PM »

Maybe if everyone that has a brush wuth Vibrio filed a suit against those responsible for not opening the passes. Its a fact that this water condition is what causes it. Mabe this would change their minds
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 01, 10 - 01:07:31 AM »

Lynn,

I would respectfully disagree that assigning the permit application to Aransas County was a mistake.  I think it is vital to have the support and participation of local government to make this project happen and having their names on the permit application confirms that support.  At the end of the day this fight is not about economics or science, it is about politics so the good guys (SCB and the rest of us) need to have some politicians engaged and on their side.  I believe that Judge Mills is sincere in his support and that enough of the Commissioners will go along.  The City of Rockport and I think the Town of Fulton have passed resolutions of support.  I agree with Plugger that it is vital that prominent conservation organizations also express their support publicly, loudly and often. 

I also agree with Plugger that everyone appreciates your work on this issue.  I know you are frustrated and worn down, but I believe that it is close to a final resolution so try to be patient a little longer.  I would not expect the County's involvement to quickly turn the tide.  I said 2 months ago that nothing will happen on the permit as long as so many of the agencies are distracted by the BP blow out, and I still believe that.  Once that train wreck has faded from the headlines there may be a window when something good can happen for Cedar Bayou.

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 01, 10 - 02:57:52 PM »

BK, Bless your heart. Resolutions are nothing without the voice behind it. Actions speak louder then words and to date not one commissioner has voiced his support for this project in public. Politics closed these passes and politics will keep them closed. The politicians will tell you only what you want to hear to get your vote and once in office you are beneath them and will not give you the time of day until they need your vote again. As for getting close. Today I learned that FWS HAS NOT sent their report to the CORPS. More delays! You suggest that I be patient a little longer. Why BK do you want me to be patient, set back and allow these agencies to inflict more damage to the system that they have abused so badly. Patience has been very costly to our wetlands, whooping cranes, the lose of life and job,s. The cost of this project would have been $862,000.00 and Patience has driven that cost up to $5 million. The BP oil spill has nothing to do with the agencies other then to use it as an excuse to futher delays issuing the permit. 31 years ago CB/VS was closed off because of an oil spill. Please don,t suggest that we wait until the BP spill fades away to get this system made whole again. I think that this system has suffered enough. BK, if you give me a call,790-9503 I would love to discuss this issue with. That goes for any one of you that would like to discuss the problems. As for the Judge, he is the only one that fully understands the need to reopen these passes, that is, the only elected official. Call him, write him or email him and let him know that you do support his effects to make this right. He is doing what ever he needs to do to get this problem solved.
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 01, 10 - 05:45:04 PM »

Lynn I sent the letters to all 4 county commissioners, waiting for a response.. we will see. I also received a call from Lamar Smiths office and he is going to put a bug in the ear of the congressmen from this district, he is looking at this site also.  I spoke To Mr. Smiths office at length and mentioned the National Geographic story on the whooping cranes and their decline. It was in the June issue P.68.

I still firmly believe action needs to be taken now as our bays will be tasked with providing the shrimp and oysters that were produced by the bays to the east of us before the oil spill.
Why will the County commissioners not take a ride and see the damage for themselves. I sent them the link with the aerial photos of cedar Bayou, maybe they will take time to look at those and see the impact man has had on the Bayou. I am right there with you Lynn, Maybe with persistence we can make it happen and see the return of all the species, the Shrimp, Flounder Blue crabs,and hermit crabs also. I am a member of the Chamber and I wil contact them to see if we can put something in the newsletter.

Andy
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